Recorded live at the Empty Bottle_Chicago_IL July 22, 1998
Live at the Empty Bottle
Peter Brötzmann Hamid Drake Kent Kessler
By Jazzme!
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Live at the Empty Bottle
Peter Brötzmann — reeds Hamid Drake — drums Kent Kessler — bass
Cover by: Peter Brötzmann
1. Something From Your Heart (17:04) 2. Crest of the Wave (41:02)
total time: 58:06
Recorded live at the Empty Bottle, Chicago, IL, on July 22, 1998.
This is the info for the OOP Okka Disc 800 Issued Brotzmann/Drake/Kessler Live At The Empty Bottle this is the link for further info links to audio to follow
Thanks Jazzme! I'm very, very happy. This is one of those records I asked you to! I've been looking for this for a looooooooong time, and now… Wow! Is tremedous! I think everybody must download this concert.
Thank you very much for this. There is some beautifully tender Brotzmann here..
jazzme, thank you for the upload folly for to see what , great posts on your blog - so far it seems small and good... And the good is maybe what matters, not the size - now or eventually...
In addition, your color scheme, graphics & artwork make it the suavest blog in its class! and you can't put a price on suave... thanks again!
I am always curious about deletions - zealous protectors of copyright law (in their minds) I suspect? Sorta like "Church of Copyright" fundamentalists straitening out all the profligate "pirates" loose on the web doin' "theft." I want to share some research and a few thoughts on the matter if you don't mind. I can be a little long winded so I hope you'll bear with me.
I recently spotted an article by Cory Doctorow in the September 2007 Locus Magazine (a S.F. journal). The Doctorow article is discussing how giving his books away online is actually boosting the print sales of some particular titles for him. The point I wanted to highlight here was this exerpt from the article addressing the effects of music file sharing on the web. You know, the impact of "PIRACY!"
"David Blackburn, a Harvard PhD candidate in economics, published a paper in 2004 in which he calculated that, for music, "piracy" results in a net increase in sales for all titles in the 75th percentile and lower; negligible change in sales for the "middle class" of titles between the 75th percentile and the 97th percentile; and a small drag on the "super-rich" in the 97th percentile and higher. Publisher Tim O'Reilly describes this as "piracy's progressive taxation," apportioning a small wealth-redistribution to the vast majority of works, no net change to the middle, and a small cost on the richest few"
So, I guess, if one takes the stats and susses out the ACTUAL consequences of file sharing it would seem that there may be some POTENTIAL benefits to independent artists and small “art” record labels. This is not news to me or a couple folks I know who produce vinyl only music products. They figured out some time ago that it works like advertising and helps get the artists’ names out there. And a record store owner (who tries to sell a lot of small label stuff) tells me many of his top customers are “down load freaks.” It appears that this “piracy” phenomenon is mainly a threat to the sales of the mega successful artists (the upper 3% and their fleets of lawyers). Which probably explains why we are lead to believe in the mainstream media that "piracy" is immoral and "hurts" the artists. No doubt it diminishes the sales of big name artists. But it does appear that it CAN benefit the fledgling artists and fringe companies.
But I should point out that I DON’T like the analogy to progressive taxation because recording industry profits are NOT really being reapportioned through “piracy”. In fact the industry AS A WHOLE is selling less product. Now there are probably MANY factors which contribute to declining sales and “piracy” might even be one. But if “piracy” tends to help small independent music labels and small presses then I think it is a good thing. Seeing ACTUAL raw numbers about file sharing convinces me that is a positive activity as far as how it "impacts" the arts. For ANOTHER thing, I don’t think the bottom line should be the main point in the creative enterprises. Certainly current laws do not adequately protect small music companies and their artists from “big money” interests and their monopolistic practices. And, of course, the REAL question for me is whether or not we need to protect the “rich” when we know that that rigid application of copyright law would most likely result in extensive “collateral damage” to fledgling artists and small independent labels that have marginal business strategies. Economics and legality aside, I think we can ill afford to lose the poorly funded creative fringes through narrowly focused enforcement of copyright law. MAYBE we should rethink our approaches to “protection” and REALLY do some reapportioning. MAYBE we need to revisit and rewrite copyright law so it fits the new realities and encourages a sharing atmosphere in the art community.
In any case, no matter where you come down on the economics and legal issues of this file sharing phenomenon, I seriously doubt that a "war on piracy" will stop the "blogsphere" from doing its thing. And I worry that if too many people "buy" into the "church of copyright fundamentalism" it might contribute to the initiation of yet another expensive "war" on "whatever" (like the wars on drugs and terrorism). This looks like a fight big corporations (and their fleets of lawyers) might very well intend to pursue when they see that their "bottom lines" are continuing to erode. And the worst consequence might be to have politicians (and their fleets of lawyers) join the fray so they can appear to be doing something which looks like they are defending "values".
I ask: Whose values? Whose pocket books? AND what about fostering healthy artistic pursuits?
Hi Dale! Again I'm agree with you. But first I have to tell to you that I deleted those comments 'cause are the links Steve left to Bailey Sabu Brötzmann_Live in Okayama 1987. So I decided to delete them to avoid people get confuse with links.
But after say that. I belive that I'm one of those "download freaks". I downloaded houndreds of records from internet, and yes some of them are not OOP. Yes, but I have about two thousand cds and four houndred vinyls. I bought all these records at shops, and when my economic situation is good I spend a lot of money on music, not only on records I travel to the north of europe to see this people in concert. And most of that money goes to… No, not to the musicians, engineers… Because of my work I know how costs to "make" the whole cd, cover or book included, if you make 5.000 each one costs 0'88 euros (this price is for me not for a big company). We pay ± 5% to the artist but this is not true, 'cause artists have to pay some company extra expenses with their money. Then if we pay 20 euros for one cd, who is the pirate? Who can call me pirate! Those benefits minds?
Here in Spain we have "digital canon" this means that you pay taxes for each "thing" you can use to copy "something" with author rights. I'm an "artist", I really don't like this word 'cause always reminds me "something divine". I use to work in video, animation, sound, installment, robotics, painting… I think almost anything that help me to "share" what I feel with this or that theme. Of course I'm not Bill Viola, De Kooning or Beuys, and I really don't want it. But my creations are in exihibitions. And I work as a graphic designer too, with my own company. So when I pay that "digital canon" I pay to prevent me to copy my own work! But even if you are not an artist or professional, you can imagine a tax to prevent murder, 'cause anybody is a potential murderer! Fuck me, but softly please!
As I say I do artistic works and I really like people enjoy my work. I'd like people to share with friends… my works just 'cause they like it. Of course I don't like the possibility of people using my work under their names to earn money. But 'cause I'm not famous that only happens to me few times. To be or not to be that's the question.
And there is another thing. If you don't know this or that artist or record, how can you spend your money in a cd…? And what about all those concerts, old records… that nobody is going to publish! And what do you have to do when you live in a music dessert? Eat shit? Eat all that commercial rubish? Hey if someone enjoy that I'm not against. But I hate it.
I really thing that this is a good thing for everybody, listeners, musicians (and more for obscure musicians) and even little labels. Everybody except big companies with commercial stuff. Sometimes I feel so "high" with some music that I really need to share it with other people, Is that bad? Government answer is YES, this share is completely illegal, even if we don't feel like delinquents. It's sad but true,
Hope you can understand this horrible english.
I really enjoy these conversations with you… And thanks for your comment on the next post.
Thanks Jazzme, I'll try to post your uploads asap. But as I said if you want to post in comments is OK. I've seen that several people lose links, have problems with links texts… so I think is better to delete duplicated links. I received your email telling me that the cover of Ayler's record is wrong but without other cover. Can you send it to me?
Obviously some folks don't get Brotzmann and don't want to. Fine. But if you enjoy noisy structure and overblown beauty, he's your guy. Almost all of his work I like in some way.
12 comments:
Live at the Empty Bottle
Peter Brötzmann — reeds
Hamid Drake — drums
Kent Kessler — bass
Cover by: Peter Brötzmann
1. Something From Your Heart (17:04)
2. Crest of the Wave (41:02)
total time: 58:06
Recorded live at the Empty Bottle, Chicago, IL, on July 22, 1998.
This is the info for the OOP Okka Disc 800 Issued Brotzmann/Drake/Kessler Live At The Empty Bottle this is the link for further info links to audio to follow
http://okkadisk.com/releases/odl10005.html
Here Are the links for this gem !!
http://www.mediafire.com/?mjstogbtzxl
http://www.mediafire.com/?2bca2x10yle
Thanks Jazzme!
I'm very, very happy. This is one of those records I asked you to! I've been looking for this for a looooooooong time, and now…
Wow! Is tremedous!
I think everybody must download this concert.
Jazzme continue with this amazing stuff!
Don't lose this true gem!
Thank you very much for this.
There is some beautifully tender Brotzmann here..
jazzme, thank you for the upload
folly for to see what , great posts on your blog - so far it seems small and good...
And the good is maybe what matters, not the size - now or eventually...
In addition, your color scheme, graphics & artwork make it the suavest blog in its class!
and you can't put a price on suave...
thanks again!
I am always curious about deletions - zealous protectors of copyright law (in their minds) I suspect? Sorta like "Church of Copyright" fundamentalists straitening out all the profligate "pirates" loose on the web doin' "theft." I want to share some research and a few thoughts on the matter if you don't mind. I can be a little long winded so I hope you'll bear with me.
I recently spotted an article by Cory Doctorow in the September 2007 Locus Magazine (a S.F. journal). The Doctorow article is discussing how giving his books away online is actually boosting the print sales of some particular titles for him. The point I wanted to highlight here was this exerpt from the article addressing the effects of music file sharing on the web. You know, the impact of "PIRACY!"
"David Blackburn, a Harvard PhD candidate in economics, published a paper in 2004 in which he calculated that, for music, "piracy" results in a net increase in sales for all titles in the 75th percentile and lower; negligible change in sales for the "middle class" of titles between the 75th percentile and the 97th percentile; and a small drag on the "super-rich" in the 97th percentile and higher. Publisher Tim O'Reilly describes this as "piracy's progressive taxation," apportioning a small wealth-redistribution to the vast majority of works, no net change to the middle, and a small cost on the richest few"
So, I guess, if one takes the stats and susses out the ACTUAL consequences of file sharing it would seem that there may be some POTENTIAL benefits to independent artists and small “art” record labels. This is not news to me or a couple folks I know who produce vinyl only music products. They figured out some time ago that it works like advertising and helps get the artists’ names out there. And a record store owner (who tries to sell a lot of small label stuff) tells me many of his top customers are “down load freaks.” It appears that this “piracy” phenomenon is mainly a threat to the sales of the mega successful artists (the upper 3% and their fleets of lawyers). Which probably explains why we are lead to believe in the mainstream media that "piracy" is immoral and "hurts" the artists. No doubt it diminishes the sales of big name artists. But it does appear that it CAN benefit the fledgling artists and fringe companies.
But I should point out that I DON’T like the analogy to progressive taxation because recording industry profits are NOT really being reapportioned through “piracy”. In fact the industry AS A WHOLE is selling less product. Now there are probably MANY factors which contribute to declining sales and “piracy” might even be one. But if “piracy” tends to help small independent music labels and small presses then I think it is a good thing. Seeing ACTUAL raw numbers about file sharing convinces me that is a positive activity as far as how it "impacts" the arts. For ANOTHER thing, I don’t think the bottom line should be the main point in the creative enterprises. Certainly current laws do not adequately protect small music companies and their artists from “big money” interests and their monopolistic practices. And, of course, the REAL question for me is whether or not we need to protect the “rich” when we know that that rigid application of copyright law would most likely result in extensive “collateral damage” to fledgling artists and small independent labels that have marginal business strategies. Economics and legality aside, I think we can ill afford to lose the poorly funded creative fringes through narrowly focused enforcement of copyright law. MAYBE we should rethink our approaches to “protection” and REALLY do some reapportioning. MAYBE we need to revisit and rewrite copyright law so it fits the new realities and encourages a sharing atmosphere in the art community.
In any case, no matter where you come down on the economics and legal issues of this file sharing phenomenon, I seriously doubt that a "war on piracy" will stop the "blogsphere" from doing its thing. And I worry that if too many people "buy" into the "church of copyright fundamentalism" it might contribute to the initiation of yet another expensive "war" on "whatever" (like the wars on drugs and terrorism). This looks like a fight big corporations (and their fleets of lawyers) might very well intend to pursue when they see that their "bottom lines" are continuing to erode. And the worst consequence might be to have politicians (and their fleets of lawyers) join the fray so they can appear to be doing something which looks like they are defending "values".
I ask: Whose values? Whose pocket books? AND what about fostering healthy artistic pursuits?
Dale
Great album by the way. Thank YOU!!!
Dale
Hi Dale!
Again I'm agree with you. But first I have to tell to you that I deleted those comments 'cause are the links Steve left to Bailey Sabu Brötzmann_Live in Okayama 1987. So I decided to delete them to avoid people get confuse with links.
But after say that. I belive that I'm one of those "download freaks". I downloaded houndreds of records from internet, and yes some of them are not OOP. Yes, but I have about two thousand cds and four houndred vinyls. I bought all these records at shops, and when my economic situation is good I spend a lot of money on music, not only on records I travel to the north of europe to see this people in concert. And most of that money goes to… No, not to the musicians, engineers… Because of my work I know how costs to "make" the whole cd, cover or book included, if you make 5.000 each one costs 0'88 euros (this price is for me not for a big company). We pay ± 5% to the artist but this is not true, 'cause artists have to pay some company extra expenses with their money. Then if we pay 20 euros for one cd, who is the pirate?
Who can call me pirate!
Those benefits minds?
Here in Spain we have "digital canon" this means that you pay taxes for each "thing" you can use to copy "something" with author rights. I'm an "artist", I really don't like this word 'cause always reminds me "something divine". I use to work in video, animation, sound, installment, robotics, painting… I think almost anything that help me to "share" what I feel with this or that theme. Of course I'm not Bill Viola, De Kooning or Beuys, and I really don't want it. But my creations are in exihibitions. And I work as a graphic designer too, with my own company. So when I pay that "digital canon" I pay to prevent me to copy my own work! But even if you are not an artist or professional, you can imagine a tax to prevent murder, 'cause anybody is a potential murderer! Fuck me, but softly please!
As I say I do artistic works and I really like people enjoy my work. I'd like people to share with friends… my works just 'cause they like it. Of course I don't like the possibility of people using my work under their names to earn money. But 'cause I'm not famous that only happens to me few times. To be or not to be that's the question.
And there is another thing. If you don't know this or that artist or record, how can you spend your money in a cd…? And what about all those concerts, old records… that nobody is going to publish! And what do you have to do when you live in a music dessert? Eat shit? Eat all that commercial rubish? Hey if someone enjoy that I'm not against. But I hate it.
I really thing that this is a good thing for everybody, listeners, musicians (and more for obscure musicians) and even little labels. Everybody except big companies with commercial stuff. Sometimes I feel so "high" with some music that I really need to share it with other people, Is that bad?
Government answer is YES, this share is completely illegal, even if we don't feel like delinquents. It's sad but true,
Hope you can understand this horrible english.
I really enjoy these conversations with you…
And thanks for your comment on the next post.
See you soon! Hope
I will email links from now on instead of posting . This should stop the confusion . jazzme
Thanks Jazzme,
I'll try to post your uploads asap.
But as I said if you want to post in comments is OK.
I've seen that several people lose links, have problems with links texts… so I think is better to delete duplicated links.
I received your email telling me that the cover of Ayler's record is wrong but without other cover. Can you send it to me?
The Ayler cover you have is correct do not fix it is right . jazzme
Obviously some folks don't get Brotzmann and don't want to. Fine. But if you enjoy noisy structure and overblown beauty, he's your guy. Almost all of his work I like in some way.
Thanks for the exposure.
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